Why You’re Successful but Miserable (The Gen Z Philosopher) | Cru Mahoney

Episode 94 · Jan 1, 2026 · 1h 16m · with Cru Mahoney

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He ran every morning for 7½ years. He built a life around habits, not hype. In this conversation we dig into authenticity, purpose, and the tiny practices that create massive change — from a 2,737-day running streak to the simple rule: eat dinner without your phone. If you’re tired of chasing short wins, this episode is for you. In this episode we cover: Why consistency beats motivation. How small daily promises become unshakable confidence. The “no-phone dinner” habit and why it matters. #KassidyWarren https://www.instagram.com/kassidy.warren https://www.linkedin.com/in/kassidywarren #CruMahoney https://www.instagram.com/crumahoney Watch #ForYourOwnGood on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KassidyWarren

Key moments

0:00:00 “Instagram's going to tell you the running from the tiger human thousands of years ago.”
0:02:35 “you technically could be making millions of dollars a year.”
0:10:59 “Everyone's getting really good at running, but um the truth is better and it's always better...”
0:17:04 “I'm a I'm a 2000 baby.”
0:21:21 “could I do this for 20 years and not make incredible strides and not have impact?”
0:23:54 “A lot of those destructive people actually tend to have great personalities.”
0:31:33 “will there be this moment, you know, when I'm 20 or 21 where something's going to...”
0:48:35 “that if you had that relationship with somebody else, say, "Oh my gosh, my dad or...”

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0:00:00If I could have everybody in the world

0:00:02do one thing today, it'd probably be

0:00:05exercise or no phone dinner.

0:00:07>> You're like kind of this philosopher of

0:00:09the Gen Z generation.

0:00:11>> Let's go.

0:00:11>> I'll [laughter] take it. Hybrid athlete

0:00:13fitness influencer that is preventing

0:00:14people from trusting themselves.

0:00:16>> If I show up for myself for the next 100

0:00:18days to something that I don't want to

0:00:20do, but I know I should and is [music]

0:00:21very powerful. You cannot deny that you

0:00:24would be 100 days in the direction of

0:00:26liking yourself more. How many morning

0:00:28runs have you done in a row?

0:00:30>> 2,737.

0:00:32I help very successful people become

0:00:34very fulfilled. I'm only willing to make

0:00:36money if it's done right cuz I like to

0:00:39be real and people don't jive with real.

0:00:41>> What is real and authentic though?

0:00:43>> You scroll on [music] Instagram.

0:00:44Instagram's going to tell you the

0:00:45running from the tiger human thousands

0:00:47of years ago. I don't think they were

0:00:49tweaking about why am I here? They're

0:00:51just running. But then the person on the

0:00:54couch with the AC on with their phone

0:00:56with every snack they [music] could

0:00:58possibly want at their disposal, they

0:01:00feel like they're dying. But man, we

0:01:02love comfort. We are designed to work

0:01:04and we are designed to seek comfort.

0:01:07>> I wonder if this was part of the plan.

0:01:09Whoever created the earth, it's their

0:01:11first try. [laughter]

0:01:14We were just talking about making money

0:01:16online because you were saying you've

0:01:18looked past so far beyond into the

0:01:21future. Kind of extrapolating your

0:01:24existence. Yeah.

0:01:25>> And your purpose.

0:01:26>> Yeah.

0:01:26>> And you're saying that you want to crush

0:01:28it in money and finances and and all

0:01:31that, but you don't want to be a piece

0:01:32of [ __ ] essentially.

0:01:33>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's hard to do

0:01:36because I think the easiest way to make

0:01:38money or to profit off of people is to

0:01:41make them think you have something they

0:01:43don't. And my whole marketing strategy,

0:01:47huge air quotes there, is actually

0:01:49equipping people with the ability to

0:01:51think critically and then present that

0:01:54I've been doing this for so long and

0:01:55this is literally my life's obsession.

0:01:57So, I never say, "Oh, I've I've got

0:01:59something. Don't worry." It's it's kind

0:02:01of, you know, behind the curtain and you

0:02:03have to cross the payw wall to make sure

0:02:05that you get it. I mean, I I try to

0:02:07remain as real as possible while still

0:02:09looking out for myself and that I want

0:02:10to crush it like you said, but it's I

0:02:13mean, it's tough, you know? I mean, that

0:02:15that's swimming upstream. I've been

0:02:17talking about this endlessly recently,

0:02:20especially to just, you know, friends

0:02:21and family who hear me yap all the time,

0:02:23but um it's much harder to be a good

0:02:26person than it is to be a shitty one by

0:02:28far.

0:02:28>> Yeah. I mean, you have like 500,000

0:02:30followers on Instagram, and with that

0:02:33size of audience,

0:02:35you technically could be making millions

0:02:37of dollars a year.

0:02:38>> Oh, yeah, for sure.

0:02:40>> So, why aren't you?

0:02:41>> I'm only willing to make money if it's

0:02:43done right. And I guess, you know, I'm

0:02:45not the arbiter of truth, so I can't say

0:02:47what's right for everybody, but I know

0:02:49it's right for me through years of

0:02:51sitting in silence and going, damn,

0:02:53what's right for me? Yeah. So, you ask

0:02:55the question enough and and you find the

0:02:57answer. But yeah, I uh I don't like to

0:03:01win based on leverage essentially. So, I

0:03:04think again that that dynamic of oh, I

0:03:07have an awesome physique and you suck.

0:03:10Buy my thing because I know the secrets.

0:03:13Well, anybody in that position knows the

0:03:15secrets for themselves.

0:03:18But everything else is kind of

0:03:20confirmation bias because everyone's

0:03:22only experienced life as themselves. Um,

0:03:25so I don't want to win by that kind of

0:03:28manipulation or leverage, which I'm not

0:03:30the only one that just wants to do

0:03:32things the right way. Um, but you know,

0:03:35I think a lot of people, they just do

0:03:39well purely through that. But now with

0:03:41social media, you can still make

0:03:43yourself look like the hero if you're a

0:03:45good enough actor. And so I've found

0:03:47that I'm actually really shitty at

0:03:50social media because I don't like to

0:03:52leave stones unturned in terms of the

0:03:55nuances of what I'm talking about. Well,

0:03:58the best people in social media, they

0:03:59leave every stone unturned. So they get

0:04:01questions and controversy and people

0:04:04need to hear more. They're so intrigued

0:04:07because they're not getting the thing.

0:04:08And I'm going, I can't I can't exist in

0:04:12that world. So, I I say that I'm a

0:04:13shitty content creator um because I like

0:04:17to be real and people don't jive with

0:04:20real.

0:04:21>> People don't jive with real.

0:04:22>> Yeah. Yeah.

0:04:22>> Yeah. I mean, what is what is real and

0:04:24authentic though? [laughter]

0:04:26>> I I would say it's really hard for

0:04:28people to find that because they don't

0:04:30have a moment where they're not hearing

0:04:31[ __ ] from a hundred other sources. Um

0:04:34so, you know, you scroll on Instagram,

0:04:36Instagram's going to tell you how to be.

0:04:39And then there's a feeling of

0:04:41resistance. Um I would say one of the

0:04:45bigger examples of this that maybe a lot

0:04:48of people can resonate with is if uh you

0:04:50know if the doctor's telling you to do

0:04:52something and it just feels off. You're

0:04:55going, "Wow, this is the doctor. I'm

0:04:56supposed to trust them. But don't I kind

0:04:58of know myself? Haven't I been dealing

0:05:00with this thing for so long?" Most

0:05:03people will not trust that intuition and

0:05:06go, "Hm, let me dive a little bit

0:05:08further." they'll go, "Oh, no. This is

0:05:09the doctor."

0:05:11And they just they back off. So they

0:05:13they start to dissolve their own

0:05:15appreciation for that intuition. I've

0:05:18just always been someone that sees, oh,

0:05:20every successful person is actually just

0:05:22a person on the other side of a set of

0:05:24decisions. Um, and man, I whatever the

0:05:28hell created that in my young life and

0:05:30still young life, I'm really really

0:05:33grateful for because it's given me kind

0:05:34of this X-ray vision through some of the

0:05:38BS of people that are at the top and

0:05:39they go, "Oh, look at me." And they play

0:05:41into this idolizing sort of dynamic. And

0:05:45I I'm really not a fan of that. And if I

0:05:48mean, if people come up to me and they

0:05:50say, "Man, I love your stuff so much."

0:05:51and they have kind of this fan mentality

0:05:53about it. They say, "I can't I can't

0:05:55believe I met you." And I go, "Well, you

0:05:57know, I see myself in the mirror every

0:05:59day and there's nothing special." And I

0:06:01immediately bring that down because

0:06:03again, my goal is to equip people with

0:06:06real confidence in being an individual

0:06:08because I feel like that's powerful.

0:06:10>> You just said that you look in the

0:06:12mirror and you don't see anything

0:06:13special.

0:06:14>> Oh, well, I mean, you know, sometimes my

0:06:16hair looks okay, but most of the time,

0:06:18oh, you know, it's it's me. I'm used to

0:06:20me. But what what you're really talking

0:06:22about is people are people. Yeah.

0:06:25>> We're essentially all valuable. We're

0:06:27all worth something.

0:06:28>> And let me preface this for everyone

0:06:30listening because I know we kind of jump

0:06:31right into it.

0:06:32>> You're 24 years old.

0:06:34>> 25. Yeah.

0:06:34>> 25 now. You're like kind of this

0:06:37philosopher of like the Gen Z

0:06:39generation.

0:06:40>> Let's go. [laughter] I'll take it. I

0:06:41like that.

0:06:43>> And you've simplified things down so

0:06:45much. like your way of being is so

0:06:48simple, but what I've noticed is that

0:06:51you can speak thoughts and ideas in a

0:06:54way that is like, "Oh yeah, that's

0:06:56exactly what I was thinking. That's how

0:06:58I feel." And so, like, what is it about

0:07:00our about our society today as a

0:07:0325year-old [laughter]

0:07:05>> hybrid athlete fitness influencer that

0:07:08is preventing people from trusting

0:07:09themselves?

0:07:10>> Yeah. I mean, I think there's there's an

0:07:12element of tolerance. Um, so if you

0:07:15can't tolerate with being your uh being

0:07:17with yourself, you'll never get the

0:07:20chance to see what you have to say, see

0:07:21what you have to think, let your mind

0:07:23kind of run. Um, I'm really I'm data

0:07:27driven in kind of an interesting way.

0:07:30So, you know, I'm not a I'm not a big

0:07:32tracker. I don't I don't wear watches

0:07:34and stuff. I don't have the Whoop. I

0:07:35don't do all that [ __ ] But what I do

0:07:38recognize is that every input, so every

0:07:41single thing that happens to you, every

0:07:44thing you do to yourself is a data point

0:07:48that makes up the image of what do I

0:07:50think of myself? So I think people feel

0:07:53very existential about I don't respect

0:07:56myself, I don't love myself, I don't

0:07:59like myself. when I look in the mirror,

0:08:01a lot of people have this really heavy

0:08:02kind of relationship there. And

0:08:06what I would want those people to know

0:08:08is, hey, there's actually a practical

0:08:11way to make that better, which is

0:08:13treating yourself better. Now, think of

0:08:16somebody who wakes up and slaps you in

0:08:18the face every day. You're not going to

0:08:19want to treat that person well. So this

0:08:22is the dynamic that a lot of people find

0:08:24themselves in which is I've treated

0:08:26myself poorly for years in some cases.

0:08:29Now I have to override my emotion of I

0:08:32don't like myself, treat myself well to

0:08:35then remedy the self-dist

0:08:42shitty that you now have to build a

0:08:44really compelling piece of data or pile

0:08:47of data in the opposite direction. But

0:08:50it we don't get the opportunity to just

0:08:52sit there and go, "Dude, what what do I

0:08:54care about?" That's a pretty good

0:08:56question to sit around in a silent room

0:08:59and answer. Um, but everything is

0:09:02distraction based because that I mean

0:09:04it's scary, feels scary to sit alone and

0:09:07go, "Whoa, you know, is my work is my

0:09:10daily life reflective of what I really

0:09:12want? How much time do I have left? What

0:09:14am I even here for? What's my purpose?"

0:09:16That stuff is pretty damn overwhelming,

0:09:18honestly.

0:09:19>> What are other inputs that people take

0:09:21in that leave them

0:09:24avoiding sitting with themselves?

0:09:26>> Yeah. Well, uh, part of this self-image,

0:09:30which this one you can't control as

0:09:32much, but what happens to you that

0:09:34definitely plays a role. Um, you know, I

0:09:37I feel so grateful that I've had people

0:09:40in my life that have kind of cheered me

0:09:41on all the way through. And it and it

0:09:43wasn't, oh, they understand everything

0:09:46about me, but it's, hey, you know, you

0:09:48can do what you want. No one can tell

0:09:51you otherwise. That kind of stuff. It

0:09:52might seem small, but that goes a long

0:09:54way. Um, so there is an element of,

0:09:58well, if you grow up in just the

0:10:01shittiest household ever and it doesn't

0:10:04turn into one of those moments where you

0:10:07go, I'm going to be the opposite. You

0:10:09for whatever reason, you start to play

0:10:11into those kind of things. Um, that's a

0:10:14harsh input that you can't really blame

0:10:17yourself on. But again when you look at

0:10:20I want to get out of this if you find

0:10:22yourself in a bad spot then you would

0:10:24have to take ownership of the data and

0:10:26create better data than that. So not

0:10:28acting like the family you grew up with

0:10:30or you know growing out of the place you

0:10:33grow up in so many different things can

0:10:36happen that are outside of your control.

0:10:37So that's one of them. Then it comes to

0:10:39the things within our control. If you're

0:10:42in this culture of well, there actually

0:10:45is zero time to sit and think, which is

0:10:49wake up, phone, work, work, work, work,

0:10:53work, back home, phone, uh maybe club,

0:10:59bar, drink, get away from yourself. Get

0:11:02away from yourself. Everyone's getting

0:11:03really good at running, but um the truth

0:11:06is better and it's always better at

0:11:08running. So I just think any inputs of

0:11:13consistent distraction,

0:11:15it's digging this hole and then you look

0:11:18up, you go, "Oh god, you know, this is

0:11:20kind of a long way up." And so most

0:11:21people just keep on digging and keep on

0:11:24digging. man, the simplest things of not

0:11:27giving yourself 20 minutes to fully sit

0:11:30there and do nothing. That's kind my the

0:11:32no phone dinner. That's my big uh big

0:11:34push. If if if I could have everybody in

0:11:38the world do one thing today, it'd

0:11:41probably be exercise or no phone dinner,

0:11:45I think the world would change

0:11:46immediately if everybody just sat there

0:11:48and ate their meal, no distractions. And

0:11:51then every night, of course.

0:11:52>> Why is that so important to you? It's

0:11:53it's space. Um so if you don't have

0:11:57space, you don't have the opportunity to

0:11:58go, all right, what are my priorities?

0:12:01You know, what what do I really want my

0:12:04life to look like? Because I think uh I

0:12:06think a lot of people are they're

0:12:08reaching for goals, but they don't even

0:12:11know what they want yet. They're just

0:12:13being told what to want. Um, so it takes

0:12:17a lot of honesty to sit down and go,

0:12:19"Dude, I think I think I like helping

0:12:22people or I think I like speaking or I

0:12:25think I like writing or painting."

0:12:28When there's there's no gaps in the day

0:12:30of maybe a 9-to-f5 or hectic

0:12:33relationships or uh, you know, no

0:12:36baseline coming from exercising and

0:12:38eating healthy. It's just clouded.

0:12:40There's no space to go.

0:12:43Whoa. You know what I mean? Even sitting

0:12:46here just 3 seconds.

0:12:51>> That that that feels heavy.

0:12:54>> That opens space.

0:12:55>> I felt better. I felt better in those.

0:12:57Yeah. [laughter]

0:12:57>> You know, think of 30 minutes of that.

0:13:00At first, it's it's a hard thing to do,

0:13:02but um it creates the space to have

0:13:05those conversations within yourself.

0:13:07Demystify the the quiet

0:13:10And there's a lot of answers in there.

0:13:12And for me, you know, the the running

0:13:15and the early mornings and just these

0:13:16moments to kind of put my mind under the

0:13:18microscope. That's that's what that's

0:13:20really about. Um people conflate that

0:13:22with just the workout stuff. It all gets

0:13:25kind of binned into the same thing. Um

0:13:27but yeah, that that would be the bigger

0:13:29purpose in those kind of things for me.

0:13:31>> What about when people show up

0:13:34differently? Like when you see people

0:13:36act one way in front of you or their

0:13:39boyfriends or girlfriends Yeah. but then

0:13:41they they're at their parents house or

0:13:43another group of friends and they're

0:13:43showing up differently.

0:13:44>> Yeah. Well, I think there's a practical

0:13:47skill to being a flexible individual. Uh

0:13:50but if your environment changes you

0:13:53fundamentally,

0:13:55you know, then then it becomes a little

0:13:57bit weird. And I think uh it's so hard

0:14:00to be honest cuz I don't I don't think a

0:14:03lot of folks get the opportunity to

0:14:04build the confidence that can then make

0:14:07you honest because if I mean if you're

0:14:09going to speak up about anything you got

0:14:11to feel whole in that. Um

0:14:15and you know I uh I've been trying to

0:14:18think of a good example to kind of

0:14:20explain this um what confidence would

0:14:23really feel like. I do jiu-jitsu and I

0:14:26hate it. Uh but my the instructor I I

0:14:30was talking to him one time and he's

0:14:31been training for 20some years and I

0:14:34said it must be a pretty profound gift

0:14:39or luxury rather to sit there and go oh

0:14:42I've spent 20some years training this

0:14:45thing that gives me so much confidence

0:14:51leverage if you're looking at it in that

0:14:53kind of way but I would say confidence

0:14:55and nobody can take that away from him

0:14:58because there's a physical capability,

0:14:59there's also a a breadth of knowledge

0:15:02baked into his mind that is nonfgeible.

0:15:06And so him in the moment of somebody out

0:15:09on the street going, "Hey, give me your

0:15:11wallet."

0:15:13Imagine how he feels in that moment

0:15:15going, "Please bring it on." You know

0:15:18what I mean? That that's a powerful kind

0:15:20of confidence. So, if everybody had

0:15:22that, oh, you know, someone's got

0:15:25something to say about your desires that

0:15:27come from your real priorities, bring it

0:15:29on. Ask me why. And I have an answer to

0:15:32all of it because I've thought about it.

0:15:34But when somebody hasn't got hasn't

0:15:37given themselves that time to really

0:15:39process, okay, what's important to me?

0:15:42And then maybe they start on some sort

0:15:43of pursuit and somebody goes, hey, why

0:15:45are you doing this? That's threatening.

0:15:47How dare you ask me why? because

0:15:49internally they don't actually know the

0:15:51answer.

0:15:51>> I think you're hitting on really the the

0:15:54crux of like our issue in society right

0:15:56now. The divisiveness. Yeah. The anger,

0:15:59the frustration, the

0:16:00>> people don't know what they believe in.

0:16:02>> Yeah.

0:16:02>> They don't know what they believe in or

0:16:04they don't know what opinion they should

0:16:05have about something. They followed

0:16:08society's path. They went into their

0:16:11career. They've got their phones.

0:16:13>> Right. I'm I'm a millennial. So, I'm of

0:16:15the generation where we grew up with the

0:16:16internet. Yeah.

0:16:17>> And our parents were saying, "Don't

0:16:20believe everything you read on the

0:16:20internet. Go outside. Get off the

0:16:23computer." D all that. Right. And we

0:16:24were there when smartphones came around.

0:16:26You can't site Wikipedia. Like this was

0:16:28our this was like my generation.

0:16:30>> Yeah.

0:16:30>> And then you look at the boomers now and

0:16:34they out at restaurants anywhere they

0:16:36are on their phones. They're stuck in

0:16:37their phones. Yeah. And

0:16:39>> funny. and they're stuck in the the

0:16:40brain rot, the misinformation, the like

0:16:43a lot of them have been

0:16:45>> almost brainwashed from this content.

0:16:48It's weird because you see um I think

0:16:52one of the traits is anything said with

0:16:55energy, they're all in. And you can you

0:16:58can see that flip happen really quick

0:17:01where I don't know if it's a um if it's

0:17:04fully a Gen Z kind of thing, but it's

0:17:07almost I absolutely won't believe

0:17:10anything until I've just really really

0:17:13felt compelled to believe it. Um, and

0:17:16I'm a I'm a 2000 baby. So there someone

0:17:20said a name for that on Instagram the

0:17:22other day. I can't remember what it was,

0:17:23but it was Oh, Zelennial.

0:17:25>> Zelennial. Yeah, [laughter]

0:17:27>> cuz you're born on the on the year.

0:17:29>> Yeah.

0:17:30>> But I don't know. I I think those

0:17:33generational kind of um traits, they're

0:17:37pretty damn real. And yeah, I you know,

0:17:40you want to blame all the young entitled

0:17:44Gen Z kind of culture,

0:17:47but man, I there are some pretty

0:17:50intriguing traits about younger people

0:17:54that I think are really strong if they

0:17:57were placed in a much healthier

0:17:59lifestyle. You know what I mean? Because

0:18:01>> give me an example. Well, so I I talk

0:18:03about how Gen Z is very um the Gen Z

0:18:08lingo and humor. I mean, the the

0:18:12language of that is so far encrypted,

0:18:15it's amazing.

0:18:17>> I mean, I I I can't even explain the

0:18:19layers and layers and layers of sarcasm

0:18:22and references and illusions built into

0:18:25the stupidest little thing. And you just

0:18:28imagine that me trying to explain it to

0:18:30my mom or something why it's funny and

0:18:32you you can't.

0:18:33>> It's literally so far past that. And so

0:18:36I think there's um

0:18:38>> oh you know language in Gen Z is almost

0:18:42intentionbased more so than it is

0:18:44wordbased.

0:18:46But people are on their phones all day,

0:18:49you know. So, if we had this

0:18:51ability to communicate through

0:18:53intentions like we do, but it wasn't in

0:18:55kind of the worst categories of life

0:18:58possible, you know, it would be the most

0:19:00amazing trait ever. But, you know, then

0:19:03it's about I don't even know, just these

0:19:06streamer type of people and just

0:19:07whatever else. I can't even come up with

0:19:09it because I'm not really in that

0:19:11culture that much. But, the brain rot

0:19:13stuff.

0:19:13>> Yeah. It's the brain rot, which is

0:19:15interesting because millennials are very

0:19:16literal. Like, we had slang and all

0:19:17that, but we were very literal. Yeah.

0:19:19>> And now Gen Z, like I think a lot of the

0:19:22stuff came off of meme culture, which

0:19:24started with millennials. Now Gen Z's

0:19:26taking another another direction, like

0:19:28even deeper. But the thing that I really

0:19:30admire about Gen Z

0:19:32>> is your freedom

0:19:33>> in individuality and authenticity.

0:19:36Obviously, everyone's searching for

0:19:37their own thing.

0:19:38>> Yeah.

0:19:39>> But the way Gen Z has influenced fashion

0:19:43>> is unlike any other generation at all.

0:19:45You have influenced every generation

0:19:47above you. in fashion. You've given

0:19:49permission to so many people to be

0:19:51themselves and dress how they want and

0:19:53be okay with it.

0:19:53>> I really enjoy trying to break that down

0:19:57because,

0:19:58>> you know, I I always uh I always make

0:20:01fun of millennials. I make fun of you

0:20:02guys a lot just cuz it's, you know,

0:20:04>> it's very easy.

0:20:04>> It's it's easy. It's free game. But, you

0:20:06know, it's all in good faith. And uh I I

0:20:09think [laughter]

0:20:11it's it's so skillful. again, this weird

0:20:15intention language of Gen Z, but I just

0:20:18wish it was used better. Um, and I think

0:20:22that a lot of people are coming to that.

0:20:25Um,

0:20:25>> well, you you are changing like you are

0:20:28changing it. You're an example of that,

0:20:30right? And and

0:20:32>> what happens in society, you're 25,

0:20:34you're obviously very smart, but

0:20:36>> the people that go first, it takes a lot

0:20:39longer for things to change.

0:20:42>> Yeah. But postco,

0:20:44we're seeing a lot more like

0:20:46authenticity and storytelling and people

0:20:48like you uh come up. So

0:20:50>> yeah,

0:20:50>> it just takes longer for society to

0:20:52shift because you have leaders,

0:20:55you have leaders of leaders

0:20:58and then you have leaders and then you

0:20:59have the people that finally get on

0:21:00board like early adopters and then

0:21:02you've got society, right? So how that's

0:21:04like a decade.

0:21:05>> That's a decade. That's how long it

0:21:07takes things to change really.

0:21:09>> Man, I was I was thinking about this

0:21:10today. Um, I was going to make a little

0:21:12video about it, too. But often times,

0:21:15you know, I'll get frustrated. Yeah, we

0:21:17all just want things to be going better

0:21:19and you get kind of neurotic about it

0:21:21and whatnot. And, uh, sometimes when I

0:21:25can remember it enough, and it's it's

0:21:26really helpful when I do, I think about

0:21:28how dedicated I am to continue this road

0:21:32forever, and I go, "Oh, if I'm doing

0:21:35this forever, then there's really no

0:21:37rush at all." Because yeah, you know, I

0:21:41might not be winning in every single way

0:21:44possible that I want to right now, but I

0:21:46have a pretty strong uh I would call it

0:21:48an assurance policy of yeah, I'm not

0:21:53going to stop. So, could I really be

0:21:55doing this for another 20 years? Well, I

0:21:59would say my first 20 years, not another

0:22:0120 years. Uh, but could I do this for 20

0:22:04years and not make incredible strides

0:22:07and not have impact? It's impossible.

0:22:09>> It's impossible,

0:22:10>> you know. So, it's nice to remember that

0:22:12sometimes.

0:22:13>> It's It's honestly the secret.

0:22:14>> Yeah. Yeah.

0:22:15>> When you are okay with it taking 20

0:22:17years or 10 years, that's you saying

0:22:19that you believe in what you want to do

0:22:21so much that you're willing to do it and

0:22:23that you don't need the results of the

0:22:24finish line to be able to start.

0:22:26>> But so many people want the results

0:22:28before they put in the work. Which also

0:22:31means that their purpose just isn't big

0:22:32enough.

0:22:32>> True.

0:22:33>> Because if your purpose is big enough,

0:22:34you're willing to do whatever it takes

0:22:36for however long it takes. and and you

0:22:38understand that there's going to be

0:22:39things along the way where it's hard and

0:22:41you get better.

0:22:42>> Yeah. Yeah, man. I I I

0:22:46love to reflect on that and I bring it

0:22:48up every chance I get because uh

0:22:51transparently I need to hear it. I tell

0:22:54myself this message every single day

0:22:59because I I don't I don't really get

0:23:02many of the short wins. There's very few

0:23:06just, you know, uh, chasing the carrot

0:23:09that I just grab the carrot and go,

0:23:10"Okay, sweet." Man, it is just a

0:23:13constant, all right, things seem to be

0:23:16getting better.

0:23:17All right, I need a better foundation.

0:23:20All right, things keep getting better.

0:23:21All right, better foundation. It's

0:23:23always coming back to ground level and

0:23:26especially in the message that I'm

0:23:28trying to get across. Um, I I don't want

0:23:32people to just be like me. I'm I'm

0:23:36trying to get across this essence kind

0:23:39of um it's almost a a trio of traits

0:23:42that I think are really important and

0:23:45they kind of make up this authenticity

0:23:47image. One of them would be lifestyle.

0:23:51So, a lot of people

0:23:54have a destructive lifestyle, and it's

0:23:57unfortunate. A lot of those destructive

0:23:59people actually tend to have great

0:24:03personalities. You go, I could spend all

0:24:06day with this person. They're the

0:24:08funniest. They've got the most energy.

0:24:09And then when they drive home and

0:24:11they're sitting there with themselves,

0:24:13no good.

0:24:14>> Yeah. And that makes me sad because I

0:24:16go, "Wait, this person has one of the

0:24:17most incredible gifts of all time, but

0:24:20they don't like themselves. Okay, what

0:24:21what's going on here?"

0:24:23Then most people that treat themselves

0:24:25like absolute gold, you know, and they

0:24:28they've got this discipline, you know,

0:24:31they they've got that rigid lifestyle.

0:24:33You look at them, you go, "That's that's

0:24:34a hero."

0:24:35>> David Gogggins.

0:24:36>> David Gogggins. But they don't have that

0:24:39that liveless.

0:24:42they they don't have the insane sarcasm

0:24:44and they're hilarious and they're sh

0:24:46saying [ __ ] you're not supposed to say

0:24:48and they're just going crazy and chaotic

0:24:50and having that freedom and I I truly

0:24:53think that is freedom of the mind to be

0:24:55that way and I think that resonates with

0:24:57more people than people give off. Um,

0:25:00and then there are people that are very

0:25:02very serious and and skilled and

0:25:05capable, especially in this, you know,

0:25:07hybrid athlete world or whatever, but

0:25:10then they also fall into the destructive

0:25:13category because they've got the great

0:25:15personality and whatnot. And I'm saying,

0:25:17why why does this have to be the

0:25:18dynamic? Why can't you treat yourself

0:25:21like gold, be really good and proficient

0:25:25at the things you want to excel in, and

0:25:27then have a golden personality, and give

0:25:31yourself the freedom and honesty to

0:25:33just, if not verbally, say things that

0:25:36are crazy and super true to you. Give

0:25:38yourself the space to recognize it in

0:25:40your own mind. You know what I mean?

0:25:42When you see someone that just looks

0:25:43ridiculous,

0:25:45you're really not thinking, "Oh, that

0:25:47person looks ridiculous." We're all

0:25:48thinking it, you know. So, that's one of

0:25:50my biggest things I'm going we got to

0:25:52stop lying to ourselves and and thinking

0:25:54that we're so uh virtuous at this

0:25:56fundamental level. Dude, if someone's

0:25:59wearing something stupid, if not to my

0:26:02friends, in my mind, I'm definitely

0:26:03going, geez, what is going on here? And

0:26:06we've tried to shut that down.

0:26:09Everyone's thinking it. You know

0:26:10[laughter] what I mean? I'm so I'm so

0:26:12big on that.

0:26:13>> Are you judging them, though? No,

0:26:15because well well actually I'll say yes.

0:26:18I'm judging their outfit choice while

0:26:21I'm simultaneously recognizing that my

0:26:23judgment of them doesn't mean anything,

0:26:26>> you know? So there's a there's an

0:26:28honesty to it of yeah, I'm imperfect. I

0:26:31have the the knee-jerk reactions. I'll

0:26:33say something looks bad or that was

0:26:35stupid or this was funny, whatever. And

0:26:38then I go internal. I go that means

0:26:41nothing.

0:26:42>> I wouldn't say it to that person. And if

0:26:44I did, I would pair it with, "Hey, you

0:26:46shouldn't listen to me because I don't

0:26:47know a damn thing." [laughter]

0:26:49Genuinely, that's how I feel.

0:26:51>> Yeah. Because what you're talking about

0:26:52is it's your interpretation of what

0:26:54they're wearing.

0:26:54>> Sure.

0:26:54>> Right. And we all have our own

0:26:55interpretations, right? We walk around

0:26:58>> with different interpretations based on

0:27:00our own

0:27:01>> judgment and feelings about ourselves.

0:27:03Yeah. Is what it is. And so what you're

0:27:05describing about these different types

0:27:06of people is that we put ourselves into

0:27:09these boxes because we believe that to

0:27:11be disciplined and consistent, we have

0:27:14to be an [ __ ] or to be free, we have

0:27:18to be aloof and non-committal and run

0:27:21from society, right?

0:27:23>> But there's an element of each of those

0:27:25things inside of ourselves that we don't

0:27:26give ourselves permission to access.

0:27:28>> Y

0:27:28>> and that is what you're saying is like

0:27:30true authenticity and and being

0:27:32yourself.

0:27:33>> Yeah. the the single-mindedness or just

0:27:35sticking to one lane. I I almost want to

0:27:38say that's disrespectful to every single

0:27:41person because nobody's actually like

0:27:43that. It can't be.

0:27:45>> You know what I mean? The freaking uh

0:27:47the the most serious person in the

0:27:49political courtroom, whatever, giving

0:27:51some speech about this law and that,

0:27:54they have to be looking in the mirror

0:27:57when they're at home and, you know,

0:27:58doing something ridiculous or singing on

0:28:00the way home in the car. I mean, and if

0:28:03they're not doing that, they must be

0:28:04going, "Man, I wish I was that person.

0:28:06There has to be something there."

0:28:08>> Yeah.

0:28:08>> You know, because we we were all kids.

0:28:10We're all running around naked in the

0:28:12house when we were two years old.

0:28:15>> That doesn't just disappear.

0:28:17>> You know what I mean? Maybe you're still

0:28:18wearing clothes, but you go, "God, you

0:28:20know, I want to be ridiculous

0:28:22sometimes."

0:28:23>> Yeah.

0:28:23>> It's got to be in all of us.

0:28:24>> Yeah. We we put up walls around our

0:28:26hearts and our our personalities to

0:28:28guard ourselves from the pain that we

0:28:30felt in the past.

0:28:31>> Totally.

0:28:32>> We had experiences as kids or teenagers

0:28:36or even adults that turned us into who

0:28:39we are today. We've allowed society and

0:28:41the things that have happened to us to

0:28:42turn us into what we think we're

0:28:43supposed to be. What we what we believe

0:28:46others expect us to be is who we've

0:28:48turned ourselves into.

0:28:51>> Yeah, that's harsh. Yeah,

0:28:52>> that's a that's a harsh thing.

0:28:54>> Have you read the book Turning Pro?

0:28:56>> No. No. I'm I'm so not a reader, which

0:28:59is it always disappoints people, but I

0:29:01spend so much time just thinking.

0:29:04>> Okay. Well, [laughter] the fact that you

0:29:05haven't read anything and you've got

0:29:06these thoughts is pretty incredible. So,

0:29:08there's a there's a book called Turning

0:29:09Pro by Stephen Presfield. Okay. There's

0:29:10a concept in that book called uh he

0:29:12calls it a shadow career that many

0:29:15people are avoiding themselves and their

0:29:18true purpose by going and getting very

0:29:20good at a shadow career.

0:29:22>> For me, I became an engineer and I

0:29:25worked in corporate and I was doing some

0:29:26consulting. That was my shadow career

0:29:29that I got very good at and I made

0:29:31decent money at,

0:29:32>> but it was avoiding my true purpose. It

0:29:35was me saying, "Well, I'm really good at

0:29:36this thing. I'm gonna hide in the shadow

0:29:38of this career and people won't know

0:29:41that I really want to go be a content

0:29:42creator and have my podcast and help

0:29:44people and invest in real estate and all

0:29:46that

0:29:46>> because I was too afraid to be honest

0:29:49with myself that that's what I wanted.

0:29:52>> Well, how cool now?

0:29:53>> That's right. How cool now. [laughter]

0:29:55>> All right, crew. So, you're 25.

0:29:57>> Yeah.

0:29:58>> You're sober.

0:29:59>> Have you ever drank alcohol in your

0:30:00life?

0:30:01>> No. No. I I when I was four, I think I

0:30:04would try and steal my mom's beer and

0:30:06try and drink it. But no, since since

0:30:09being a lucid choosing individual, I've

0:30:12never uh never drank alcohol.

0:30:13>> How come?

0:30:14>> Well, it's just one of those things, you

0:30:17know, that you're supposed to do. People

0:30:20that do it don't get asked why do you do

0:30:21it. People that don't get asked why do

0:30:23you not? I'm thinking, geez, that seems

0:30:25kind of backwards because it's a pretty

0:30:28heavy uh experience, you know, and a

0:30:31pretty heavy thing to implement into

0:30:32your life in a consistent way. Um, it

0:30:36always seemed like a crazy one to me

0:30:37going, what, you know, what's an adult

0:30:39drink when I'm little? And then you see

0:30:41people change because of it very

0:30:43tangibly. You know, my whole family

0:30:45drinks and all that good stuff, so it's

0:30:47not really a religious upbringing or

0:30:49anything like that, but you you start to

0:30:51witness things and pick up on them. And

0:30:53I think around middle school, um, it

0:30:56just became very evident what that turns

0:30:58into for a lot of people. And since I

0:31:01was pretty young, I've seen my life as

0:31:04an experiment. So I think, oh well, h

0:31:06[clears throat]

0:31:07a lot of people do this thing that seems

0:31:09to be crazy, seems to be unproductive.

0:31:12Uh, it seems to be kind of a crutch and

0:31:15people like to rely on it. What if I

0:31:17just never

0:31:20did it?

0:31:21>> You know, what what would happen? and

0:31:22and doing that through my own choice.

0:31:25What's going to happen here? And then I

0:31:27decided that, you know, around 12, 13

0:31:31and then expressing that to people who

0:31:33are well over 21, they go, "Oh, just

0:31:36wait." And

0:31:38gut reaction was, "What the hell are you

0:31:41talking about? I know what I want to do.

0:31:43I know who I am." Um, and and I also

0:31:47talk a lot about how knowing yourself

0:31:48too early is actually uh one way to make

0:31:51your life really hard. But these people

0:31:53would say, "Well, just wait." And I kind

0:31:56of internalized that statement in a lot

0:31:58of ways. And I think, well, will there

0:32:00be this moment, you know, when I'm 20 or

0:32:0321 where something's going to happen and

0:32:06I'm just going to magically want to do

0:32:08this now? Because again, being a 12 or

0:32:1213year-old, whatever it was, I'm

0:32:13thinking, I I think I know I think I

0:32:16know what I want to do and what I want

0:32:18to not do. Let's see how this plays out.

0:32:20So, there was kind of an anxiety around

0:32:22that. And then eventually,

0:32:24I I made a breakthrough in my own mind

0:32:27and said, "Oh, well, I'm here today.

0:32:30Tomorrow, I will also be here in the

0:32:33same exact mental state."

0:32:35There is no greater time that you can

0:32:37cover in one day than one day.

0:32:42I'm not skipping to 21. So I will be

0:32:44here present with myself with my

0:32:46personal desires every single day in

0:32:49between now and then. And I don't think

0:32:51anything's going to change about it. And

0:32:54so yeah, I just kind of I just kind of

0:32:56stuck with it and here we are. And and I

0:32:58built such a confidence around it,

0:33:01waiting for the day that, you know,

0:33:03somebody offers you candy out of a a bag

0:33:06or whatever and they say, "Don't accept

0:33:08anything from anyone." I'm going, "Roger

0:33:10that," you know, and no one's ever asked

0:33:12me to do anything. [laughter] I go,

0:33:14"Damn it, what, you know, I was so ready

0:33:16for someone to offer me drugs or

0:33:17something." Go, hell no. And, you know,

0:33:19it never came up. But I I built this

0:33:22confidence and that's yeah that's just

0:33:25kind of this uh

0:33:27really really formative conversation

0:33:30with myself and I over the years that

0:33:33you know it's it's not about the

0:33:36drinking thing but it's about the the

0:33:38confidence knowing why being able to

0:33:41communicate these things um and not

0:33:44doing things just because you see

0:33:46everyone else doing it. you know,

0:33:48hundred people doing the wrong thing

0:33:49doesn't make it right. Um, it's hard to

0:33:53know that and act on it, but yeah,

0:33:55that's that's kind of my why in that

0:33:57category.

0:33:57>> So, what was your 21st birthday like?

0:34:00>> I don't even know. [laughter] Probably,

0:34:03you know, steak and milk or something

0:34:05along those lines. I mean,

0:34:06>> steak and milk.

0:34:07>> Yeah. Yeah. I I down milk every day.

0:34:11>> Oh my gosh. I do not I I get No. When I

0:34:14realized it was another animal's breast

0:34:15milk, I was like, I'm good. That's when

0:34:17I said, "Hell yeah, [laughter]

0:34:20>> no." And and I don't have a problem with

0:34:21anybody else drinking. I just was like,

0:34:24>> "Yeah,

0:34:24>> you know, I still eat cheese and all

0:34:25that, but I'm like, I'm okay on

0:34:26downing." [laughter]

0:34:30>> And the raw milk, even better. See, that

0:34:32that'll get that gets some that gets

0:34:34some hate. The whole food space is such

0:34:36a such a toxic space. I mean, the the

0:34:40food nutrition creators hate each other.

0:34:44And I watch that [ __ ] and I just go,

0:34:46"Really? I think it gets back to people

0:34:48don't know what they believe in or they

0:34:50don't understand that there's different

0:34:51ways. Well, people are doing things for

0:34:54different reasons, but I I I have this

0:34:57big issue with people that are so heavy

0:35:01on protein. And I I'm a big, you know,

0:35:03protein powder, like get it, you know,

0:35:04like 180 grams of protein for me a day,

0:35:08>> but all they're talking about is

0:35:09protein, but then they're eating way too

0:35:11many calories.

0:35:12>> Oh, yeah.

0:35:12>> And they're way overweight. But it's

0:35:13like, oh, got to get your protein. And

0:35:15it's like it's just a freaking buzzword,

0:35:17man. I I I hate when people

0:35:20strip away the nuance again. Oh, protein

0:35:23candy canes. And everyone goes their

0:35:26mind just morphs into, oh, protein good

0:35:28and then they're just eating candy.

0:35:30>> Yeah.

0:35:31>> I think no, no, there there has to be

0:35:33more to it than that. And then on the

0:35:35other end, it's let's complicate

0:35:37everything so that people can't

0:35:38understand anything. Also, click the

0:35:41link and buy my thing.

0:35:42>> Yeah.

0:35:43>> You know what I mean? That's that's the

0:35:44nature of that whole space. But it's a

0:35:47weird one, man. I mean, I I utilized

0:35:49just this perspective of zoom out on

0:35:51pretty much everything. I posted a video

0:35:54pretty recently on Instagram and I I

0:35:56kind of said, you know, if I was an

0:35:57alien looking down on Earth, here's what

0:36:01I might think. Oh, you know these

0:36:03people, they go into this building every

0:36:06day and it makes them really mad and

0:36:08then they come home and then they go to

0:36:09it again the next day and the next day

0:36:11and the next day and they have these

0:36:13little drinks that they have every few

0:36:16days and it makes them real crazy and

0:36:18funny or puts them in jail in some cases

0:36:21one way or the other. Um, they choose

0:36:23their leader and they really hate each

0:36:26other over that. They kill each other

0:36:27over that. Um, who's their floating

0:36:30spirit in the sky? All right, they'll

0:36:32kill each other over that one, too. And

0:36:34they've got these little rectangles that

0:36:36they look at all the time. And I say, as

0:36:39the alien, I would be really intrigued

0:36:40with the person that looks up from the

0:36:42rectangle and looks into the sky and

0:36:44goes, "Whoa, what's going on here?" And

0:36:46as the alien, I would feel seen. That

0:36:48was kind of my my end of the image

0:36:50there. And it's really to say as an

0:36:53alien, as the person seeing the whole

0:36:55view of everything, zooming out, I feel

0:36:59very appreciated by the people that zoom

0:37:01out and take that perspective because

0:37:03we're so baked in. We're so in the cycle

0:37:07of everything. But you take that moment

0:37:08to go, well, let me back up a few

0:37:11hundred miles and really look at what's

0:37:12going on here. I think that's really

0:37:15clarifying. It's really powerful. So,

0:37:17how are you helping people get out of

0:37:19that?

0:37:20>> Practically speaking, um I help very

0:37:23successful people become very fulfilled.

0:37:27So, I'm so intrigued by people that have

0:37:29made it to quote unquote the top in what

0:37:33society imagines is the top because

0:37:36they've got the stuff. They got the

0:37:37money. They got the cars, the job, they

0:37:39went through the whole process and it

0:37:41coming from their mouth saying it didn't

0:37:44work. That is so powerful. So if I can

0:37:46help those people

0:37:49really become fulfilled, really find

0:37:51peace within themselves, really respect

0:37:53themselves, love themselves, all that

0:37:55great stuff, that's a powerful thing to

0:37:58kind of send into the world. Um, so

0:38:00going back to this conversation of data.

0:38:03I that's that's kind of my method of

0:38:05helping people change the way they think

0:38:08of themselves through changing the way

0:38:10that their life actually works which

0:38:12creates the data of well if I show up

0:38:14for myself for the next 100 days to

0:38:16something that I don't want to do but I

0:38:18know I should and is very powerful

0:38:21you cannot deny that you would be a 100

0:38:23days in the direction of liking yourself

0:38:26more

0:38:27>> um so you know it comes in so many

0:38:30different forms and people come from so

0:38:33many different places and upbringings

0:38:35and problems that they have. Um, but

0:38:38giving the space to be honest, giving

0:38:40the permission to act on some of these

0:38:42things within that dynamic I was talking

0:38:44about that, oh, they're they're super

0:38:46rigid in this way in their career and

0:38:48they're never really acknowledging the

0:38:51way that they think or or what they find

0:38:53funny. It's about opening up a lot of

0:38:55those pathways, rembbracing some of

0:38:57these things. Um, and man, I would boil

0:39:00it down to purpose. You know, I hate to

0:39:03just overuse that term, but a lot of

0:39:06people ask, "Man, how do you fill in the

0:39:09blank, right? Uh, run every morning or

0:39:11wake up at 5 every day or ice bath every

0:39:13morning, never eat junk food, etc. How?

0:39:16I say, well, I have a reason why.

0:39:19Anything that you could think to do, uh,

0:39:23you know, on a daily basis that reflects

0:39:25something powerful for you. Um, you can

0:39:28do that if you had a strong enough

0:39:30reason why. So it comes back to this

0:39:31purpose. Why am I here? We used to have

0:39:34a really cool one for free which was

0:39:37survive and make it to the next day. So

0:39:39I think that's kind of the the god-given

0:39:42purpose of humans. Just survive, you

0:39:44know, make it to the next one. But now

0:39:46um we don't have to survive and we have

0:39:48this very comfortable, luxurious kind of

0:39:51existence. In most people's cases, I

0:39:53guess if you're listening to a podcast,

0:39:55um can't be that bad compared to running

0:39:57from a tiger. But running from a tiger

0:40:00has a really nice um nice purpose to it.

0:40:04And sitting on the couch scrolling

0:40:06Instagram really lacks that. So the

0:40:09running from the tiger human thousands

0:40:11of years ago, I don't think they were

0:40:15tweaking about why am I here? They're

0:40:17just running and then they they run away

0:40:20and they escape and they go, man, that's

0:40:23amazing. You know, and they feel that

0:40:25baseline. They feel that relaxation on

0:40:27the tail end of this crazy spike in

0:40:29energy and purpose.

0:40:32But then the person on the couch with

0:40:34the AC on with their phone with every

0:40:37snack they could possibly want at their

0:40:39disposal, they feel like they're dying.

0:40:43They're not surviving, [laughter] but

0:40:44the person 20 feet away from a tiger is.

0:40:47That's a crazy dynamic.

0:40:49>> That's a really incredible analogy for

0:40:51what's going on.

0:40:52>> It's nuts.

0:40:54I've never heard anyone put it. So, like

0:40:57the the comparison between the person

0:41:00that was almost dying

0:41:02>> running from the tiger, they're actually

0:41:03the ones that are thriving.

0:41:04>> Yeah.

0:41:04>> They're actually the ones that are alive

0:41:06and the ones sitting on the couch

0:41:08>> scrolling are the ones that are slowly

0:41:09dying.

0:41:10>> And man, running is not easy, especially

0:41:14from a tiger. Um,

0:41:17but neither is the other version. So

0:41:19it's

0:41:20and you you don't want to say, oh, you

0:41:22know, choose your hard because you hear

0:41:23that all the time, but that that really

0:41:25is the essence. I think there's this um

0:41:29what is it? Discipline equals freedom.

0:41:32And I think what that really means uh

0:41:34because people just will say that and

0:41:36and not really get the whole gist of it.

0:41:39Every

0:41:41every freedom that we could have has a

0:41:44corresponding discipline to it. So, the

0:41:46people that don't wake up early and

0:41:48don't run and don't get in the ice bath

0:41:50and don't work out and don't eat healthy

0:41:52and don't do all of that [ __ ] they have

0:41:54a pretty real luxury, which is not

0:41:58having to do that. They wake up and it's

0:41:59kind of just go with the flow. There is

0:42:01something nice about that. Um, and I'm

0:42:03not even just saying that in kind of a

0:42:05setup way. There is something nice to

0:42:07that real

0:42:08>> comfort is comfortable.

0:42:09>> Comfort is comfortable 100%. But the

0:42:13corresponding discipline to that is this

0:42:14existential work of oh why am I here?

0:42:19Oh, I I hate myself. Why why am I even

0:42:23living today? This sucks. It's just this

0:42:25existential

0:42:28why am I not that person that I want to

0:42:29be? That's some work. You know what I

0:42:32mean? That's that's pretty harsh. Then

0:42:34on the other hand, um the discipline of

0:42:37doing all of these things that I listed,

0:42:39not fun. I really I don't enjoy nearly

0:42:44any of my mornings, but there's a human

0:42:46responsibility that I really take

0:42:48seriously. And I go, "Okay, let's cross

0:42:50that threshold. Let's let's get to the

0:42:52other side of that mountain." And then

0:42:55I'm not doing the existential worry

0:42:58ever. I'm not going, "Oh, am I am I

0:43:00enough? You why am I here on this earth?

0:43:04What?" I don't have to do the

0:43:06existential work. So, I think the

0:43:07practical work of that human sort of

0:43:10side is better, but you know, again, I'm

0:43:15not the arbiter of truth here. I just

0:43:16seem to think that that's more what

0:43:18we're made for versus uh the existential

0:43:21angst.

0:43:23>> Yeah. But the existential angst is

0:43:25created from the comfort that we've

0:43:28created for ourselves.

0:43:29>> Yeah.

0:43:29>> We have created the existential crisis

0:43:32>> through all of our

0:43:33>> our coping mechanisms.

0:43:35>> Yeah. and our devices and our food and

0:43:37and our homes and everything.

0:43:39>> And it's I mean it's fair. It it really

0:43:42is fair that we've found ourselves in

0:43:44this place. Um and I I don't know I

0:43:49don't know who to blame. I mean do you

0:43:50blame marketing, you know, because

0:43:53everything uh since the creation of

0:43:56products was kind of a here's the

0:43:58solution and everything stems from that.

0:44:01I don't know. Maybe maybe that is the

0:44:03case. Maybe it's something deeper and

0:44:05more complex, but um you you can't you

0:44:10can't blame us. You know what I mean?

0:44:12From from that alien perspective. Ah,

0:44:14you can't blame him.

0:44:15>> Yeah. Because we ran from the tiger or

0:44:17let's say it's a bear. Yeah. I'm from

0:44:19the Pacific Northwest. We we ran from

0:44:22the bear.

0:44:22>> Yeah.

0:44:22>> We escaped the bear. Okay. Now, I've got

0:44:26>> 10 minutes to think about what's next.

0:44:28I've already got enough food. I've got

0:44:29it in my in my little pouch or whatever

0:44:30I'm carrying.

0:44:31>> Yeah. Now it's about to rain.

0:44:34>> I need some shelter.

0:44:35>> Yeah.

0:44:35>> So, I go find the cave. Right. And so,

0:44:38from that moment where we ran from the

0:44:40bear to when we found the cave, we

0:44:42stayed dry and got a good night's sleep.

0:44:44We've been building shelter. We've been

0:44:46building comfort ever since that moment.

0:44:49And that's there's something about

0:44:51humans.

0:44:52>> Yeah.

0:44:53>> Where yes, we love hard things on the

0:44:56other side of them.

0:44:58>> Yeah.

0:44:58>> But man, we love comfort. We are

0:45:00designed to work

0:45:02>> and we are designed to seek comfort.

0:45:06>> Yeah. I I I wonder if this was part of

0:45:10the plan,

0:45:12you know, cuz is progression to this

0:45:15extent

0:45:16natural? Is it

0:45:19is that the way it's supposed to have

0:45:21gone? Um, I I mean I I think that

0:45:24question almost gets religious

0:45:27existential, but yeah, I do wonder um

0:45:31cuz I I love to say, "Oh, well, it's not

0:45:34supposed to be this way, but is this not

0:45:37the extent of continual progression? It

0:45:39sure seems like it's gone this way kind

0:45:42of on purpose." Um, and maybe it's a

0:45:45statement of the human condition. Um,

0:45:49maybe it's a statement of

0:45:51whoever created the earth, it's their

0:45:53first try. So, [laughter]

0:45:56you know, who knows how it was supposed

0:45:57to go.

0:45:58>> That's funny.

0:46:00>> All right. Well, yeah, we were, man, we

0:46:01were getting existential there. But, uh,

0:46:04>> consistency.

0:46:05>> Uhhuh.

0:46:05>> Something else that you've been

0:46:06consistent in is on your morning runs.

0:46:08>> Yeah.

0:46:08>> How many morning runs have you done

0:46:11>> in a row?

0:46:12>> I I probably should have known the

0:46:13number before I came in here. Let's

0:46:14Let's ask Siri. How many days ago was

0:46:16June 13th, 2018? 2737.

0:46:21>> So, you've ran every morning for 2737

0:46:24days,

0:46:25>> sir.

0:46:26>> Why?

0:46:27>> Well, it's uh it's a promise to keep.

0:46:29And I think this is something that a lot

0:46:31of people lack in the me and me

0:46:34relationship. Um, so if you make a

0:46:38promise and you keep it absolutely no

0:46:40matter what, you're essentially building

0:46:43this data that I keep talking about and

0:46:45it's really compelling

0:46:47the less you want to do the thing. So

0:46:49the data becomes more compelling the

0:46:52less you want to do it. Um, so I I

0:46:55started to see that if I stick to

0:46:59something

0:47:00non-negotiably,

0:47:02then I'm getting to the core of what can

0:47:05I do because, you know, it's been seven

0:47:08and a half years, some change. Um,

0:47:12within seven and a half years, I could

0:47:13have found plenty of excuses and plenty

0:47:15of good ones, too. Um, I guess a little

0:47:18caveat to the streak there. I sprained

0:47:20my ankle and my foot at one point. So, I

0:47:22was crutching kind of skipping

0:47:25crutching. But you still got out.

0:47:26>> Uh yeah, for about a month. So, you

0:47:29know, same sort of thing just with some

0:47:31metal legs under my armpits instead of

0:47:33the one I couldn't use. Um but again,

0:47:36same thing kind of stands. It's a

0:47:38promise to keep. It's something to be

0:47:41dedicated to in a very real way. And

0:47:44yeah, it exposes what you're capable of

0:47:46because I think people's definition of

0:47:48what can I do is actually what do I want

0:47:51to do? Um, so giving yourself no way

0:47:55out, no uh no no option, only a yes

0:47:59option, then you see, oh my god, I you

0:48:02know, I can do some pretty great things.

0:48:03I can make it through some pretty hard

0:48:05times. Um, and you know, that's just

0:48:09been probably the most formative thing I

0:48:11could have ever done for myself because

0:48:14as I'm going through these tough times,

0:48:17I am the student. I am the struggler. I

0:48:22am having the hard time, I am also the

0:48:25coach. I am the motivator. I am the

0:48:29inspirer.

0:48:30I'm pulling myself out of the hard time

0:48:33as I'm having it. So, you can imagine

0:48:35that if you had that relationship with

0:48:37somebody else, say, "Oh my gosh, my dad

0:48:41or something showed up to every single

0:48:45um Rubik's Cube competition that I had."

0:48:47You know, fill in the blanks, whatever

0:48:49it might be. This person showed up

0:48:52consistently for as long as I've known

0:48:55them. You see that person as very, very

0:48:57heroic. Um, so if you could show up in

0:49:00that way for yourself, you would see

0:49:02yourself as heroic. And I always loved

0:49:06the idea of somebody like that, somebody

0:49:08so undeniable.

0:49:10And so I think, well,

0:49:13if I am there for me, pulling myself out

0:49:16of that hard time, pulling myself out of

0:49:18bed when I don't want to, then in a

0:49:21sense, I will look up to myself. And I

0:49:24just think that it's, you know, it's a

0:49:26unique relationship to have with

0:49:28yourself.

0:49:29>> It's a self-worth and a confidence

0:49:31thing. And consistency for me is the

0:49:34great differentiator

0:49:35>> between anybody that's And it's not even

0:49:37about success.

0:49:38>> Yeah.

0:49:38>> But consistency is the great

0:49:39differentiator between anybody who does

0:49:42something and anybody who doesn't do

0:49:43anything.

0:49:44>> Yeah. I heard a good little uh good

0:49:45little analogy. Um admittedly, I think

0:49:48it was from Andrew Tate, so that's kind

0:49:50of funny. But he basically he was saying

0:49:53that if you never miss um never miss a

0:49:56day, you never don't show up to

0:49:59something. Sometimes miracles happen

0:50:02>> and you're not going to be absent on the

0:50:05day the miracle happened, you know, and

0:50:07miracles, the verbiage around that,

0:50:09whatever it might be. Um, but I think

0:50:11that's true. Sometimes great things

0:50:13happen. You know, sometimes in the

0:50:16social media space, a video blows the

0:50:18hell up. Maybe it's 1300 videos deep,

0:50:21but if you didn't miss that 1300th

0:50:23video, then well, you're there for the

0:50:26prize. And so, yeah, consistency is

0:50:28pretty pretty huge. I think it's glossed

0:50:30over because people just say it all the

0:50:32time, but you know, that's that's the

0:50:33real essence of it.

0:50:34>> Yeah. I didn't want to go to the gym

0:50:35this morning.

0:50:35>> Yeah.

0:50:36>> I didn't want to go to the gym this

0:50:37morning. Yeah.

0:50:37>> And I still did. I didn't do my full

0:50:39workout.

0:50:40>> Yeah.

0:50:40>> But I still went and I still push weight

0:50:43and I still did it. And I I'm really

0:50:45proud of myself that I did.

0:50:46>> Beautiful.

0:50:47>> And that's after 18 month. That's after

0:50:4818 months of going, you know, five days

0:50:50a week.

0:50:50>> Yeah.

0:50:51>> Yeah.

0:50:51>> 100. I mean, yeah. It's you you face it

0:50:54every time.

0:50:55>> Mhm. You never you never avoid that kind

0:50:57of feeling. I mean, my my running in the

0:50:59morning is dog [ __ ] guys. I'm not I'm

0:51:03not setting [laughter] records at all.

0:51:05I'm literally just showing up and

0:51:06getting it done because that's not my

0:51:08focus right now athletically at all.

0:51:10It's just here I am showing up to the

0:51:13thing, shitty or amazing. Uh it's for

0:51:16that reason.

0:51:17>> Yeah. doing anything for even if you

0:51:19haven't done the same thing every day

0:51:22for a week, two weeks, a month, go do

0:51:25something for a month straight and you

0:51:28will learn a lot about yourself.

0:51:30>> So cool.

0:51:30>> And I guarantee most people listening

0:51:33are already doing things for a month or

0:51:36longer. Like when I look back on my

0:51:38drinking, I had a problem, right? That's

0:51:40why I stopped. When I look back on my

0:51:42drinking,

0:51:43>> I was like, "Wow, I've been drinking

0:51:45every single day for

0:51:47over a decade.

0:51:49>> That was something that I could commit

0:51:50to and be consistent in is my drinking.

0:51:52>> Yeah. There you go.

0:51:53>> Right. And so what are you listener out

0:51:56there doing every single day? Are you

0:51:57vaping every day? Are you gambling every

0:52:00day? Are you watching porn every day?

0:52:02Are you drinking alcohol every day?

0:52:04You're doing something every day.

0:52:05>> Yeah.

0:52:06>> And your habits define who you are. How

0:52:08you show up defines who you are. And

0:52:10those you can do things every single

0:52:12day. you just choose to do different

0:52:15things that keep you comfortable or safe

0:52:17or protected or perceived safety and

0:52:20comfort.

0:52:21>> You know, it's it's powerful, too,

0:52:23because

0:52:25really it's symbolism in a lot of ways.

0:52:27You know, this this running thing, I

0:52:29mean, a mile, I guess, is less daunting

0:52:32to me. So, there is a physical

0:52:33capability that comes along with that.

0:52:35But the symbolism is this showing up.

0:52:38Okay, I'm I'm my own hero. That whole

0:52:40image. So then you you take that and you

0:52:44realize, oh, this is actually available

0:52:46in almost anything. Um, I don't know,

0:52:51you could brush your teeth with just a

0:52:52different intent. Say, man, you know, my

0:52:55my oral health is uh it's the foundation

0:52:58to my gut health or vice versa, and this

0:53:01means so much to me, and I'm going to be

0:53:02a dentist. I mean, I'm just coming up

0:53:04with a random example here, but the

0:53:05greatest thing, you know, it could mean

0:53:07a lot to you if you assign that meaning,

0:53:10just like your life could mean so much

0:53:11to you if you assign it a purpose. Um,

0:53:14so that that's what we have to do now is

0:53:16to say, okay, um, you know, let me buy

0:53:19this expensive ass tub that makes water

0:53:22really cold so I can simulate what it

0:53:24was like to struggle. Um, but yeah, it's

0:53:27it's silly, but also the people doing

0:53:29that are probably the smartest because

0:53:30again, they're getting back to these

0:53:31roots we were talking about.

0:53:32>> Something I find interesting about you

0:53:34is so all this philosophical, you know,

0:53:37self-improvement stuff and consistency

0:53:41and showing up authentically and oh,

0:53:44content creators that are fitness

0:53:46content creators that are fighting and

0:53:47arguing and

0:53:48>> but almost every picture or video I see

0:53:50of you, you have your shirt off.

0:53:51>> Mhm. [laughter]

0:53:55Hell yeah.

0:53:56>> Help help me understand

0:53:58the reconciliation between Yeah. between

0:54:01that

0:54:01>> cuz being jacked is sick. You know what

0:54:03I mean? [laughter] And I'm not really

0:54:05I'm not really there yet. You know, one

0:54:07of my good friends, he's he's been

0:54:08bodybuilding since, you know, literal

0:54:11day one. And he's actually the the

0:54:14perfect physique and he knows it.

0:54:17[laughter]

0:54:17I'll tell him all the time, I say,

0:54:19"Dude, it's you're insanely jacked." you

0:54:21know, he gets he gets [ __ ] on for being

0:54:23so jacked. It's amazing. Um, but you

0:54:25know, I I think again there is this um

0:54:30there there's multiple different

0:54:33spaces in my mind. Uh, and they they

0:54:36they usually overlap which becomes

0:54:38really funny. You know, in very serious

0:54:40moments I'll be saying jokes to myself.

0:54:43You know, there's always little versions

0:54:45of that. Um, but yeah, I mean I guess

0:54:48more specifically, do you mean kind of

0:54:50the outward presentation or do you mean

0:54:53just feeling that kind of confidence?

0:54:55What's more the angle?

0:54:56>> I think it's both. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I

0:54:58I see it. I get it because when you

0:54:59watch your content, you get it.

0:55:00>> Yeah.

0:55:01>> But also, people have an opinion or

0:55:03thoughts around people that lift weights

0:55:05or work out.

0:55:06>> Yeah. And honestly, I think what you're

0:55:08doing and what I like I think some of

0:55:10the reason that I've gained a little

0:55:11like a little, you know, bit of success

0:55:14at all is because you're showing that

0:55:17you can lift weights. You can be an

0:55:19athlete

0:55:21>> and you can be like a real man.

0:55:23>> Yeah.

0:55:23>> Of like soft, kind, loving, funny,

0:55:26sarcastic. You can have all these

0:55:28elements. You don't have to be

0:55:30>> quote unquote a bro or a meatthead or

0:55:32whatever. And it's okay to have, like

0:55:34you said, these different spaces and

0:55:36parts of yourself that some people can't

0:55:38really figure out how it all connects

0:55:40together. Usually,

0:55:41>> man, you know, I'll say I think there's

0:55:44a lot of bros out there that probably

0:55:47have some good ideas, you know, and and

0:55:50really care and are, you know, there

0:55:53there's shitty people in every category.

0:55:54So, you know, we can we can uh dismiss

0:55:57those, but there are some interesting

0:56:00minds at the gym and it's just in this

0:56:03freaking meat looking body.

0:56:07But the brain, it's it's it's not its

0:56:10own thing. Um, and people who just

0:56:12choose to not exercise or not do

0:56:15anything like that, I used to be a

0:56:17little bit more gracious actually. I'd

0:56:19say, oh, well, if somebody isn't really

0:56:21into that kind of thing, I mean, yeah,

0:56:22maybe reading is their deal. I don't

0:56:24have to work out. No, sorry. [laughter]

0:56:28>> You definitely have to exercise. But

0:56:30yeah, you you you can embrace great

0:56:34ideas. You can embrace being a great

0:56:36partner. You can embrace being uh in

0:56:39tune with the way you actually feel. I'm

0:56:41huge on acknowledging your emotions.

0:56:44Maybe just not letting them drive the

0:56:46bus. Um and I think being able to see

0:56:48that and then act differently is super

0:56:50powerful instead of just, oh, screw

0:56:53that. no emotions and then just go run

0:56:55the 100 miles. I think you could

0:56:57recognize your emotions and run a 100

0:56:59miles. It'd be a very different thing.

0:57:01Um, but yeah, I think I think there's a

0:57:03lot of spaces that the mind can exist in

0:57:05or a lot of bodies that the mind can

0:57:07exist in. I mean, you know, look at the

0:57:10Chris Williamson. I mean, he goes to the

0:57:12gym that I go to and he's all into

0:57:14lifting and the bodybuilding stuff and,

0:57:17you know, Hubberman's jacked and all

0:57:18these big people that people think of as

0:57:21the thinkers,

0:57:22>> they're also yolked.

0:57:24>> Mhm.

0:57:24>> I mean, Joe Rogan's a freaking meatball.

0:57:27[laughter]

0:57:28>> Yeah.

0:57:28>> This dude is so big. my my self-worth,

0:57:31my confidence, my

0:57:33knowingness of who I am and my beliefs

0:57:36in myself all came on the backside of me

0:57:40committing to lifting heavy weights.

0:57:42>> It's beautiful.

0:57:42>> And and actually transforming my body.

0:57:44Yeah.

0:57:44>> Right. If you know, and you know, we can

0:57:46throw up my old my old I got a couple

0:57:48good pre, you know, uh preo that we'll

0:57:51throw up, but I I was a little

0:57:53delusional.

0:57:54>> Yeah. about where I was and how strong

0:57:56or not strong I was and the effect it

0:57:57was having on my body and my mind. And

0:57:59as soon as I started actually changing

0:58:01my body, everything changed.

0:58:04>> Isn't that so cool? It's just you you

0:58:06literally have a project.

0:58:08>> You are a living project.

0:58:10>> And I know that it's going to be another

0:58:13two to four years of working on it to

0:58:17get where like my goals are. Yeah.

0:58:19>> And I'm totally okay with that.

0:58:20>> And the goals are just they're just

0:58:22moving. Yeah. They will move. They will

0:58:24move for sure, but there's like a you

0:58:26know, 185 lean is like really where I'm

0:58:28trying to get to. So, yeah. Yeah. And

0:58:29it's going to take a while, but

0:58:31>> being jacked is fun.

0:58:32>> It's cool. It's fun. And, you know, my

0:58:35my mountain I'm kind of at the bottom of

0:58:37right now is the jiu-jitsu thing. And

0:58:39so, you know, I really I don't like the

0:58:44process of it because,

0:58:47you know, in this case, it's just an

0:58:49actual version of getting beat down. Um,

0:58:52and so I show up to this and I don't see

0:58:55tangible progress very often. I mean,

0:58:57I'm maybe eight months into it and uh I

0:59:01just know that five years down the line,

0:59:04sticking to it, going to this a couple

0:59:06times a week, just meeting the

0:59:08expectation. I mean, I I will have this

0:59:11nonfgeable skill set and knowledge base

0:59:15and it's going to be so cool. But I I

0:59:18literally can only go today once at a

0:59:23time.

0:59:24>> Even Even if I went three times today,

0:59:27that's only three classes worth. And you

0:59:30know, how many classes and training

0:59:32sessions and rolls with somebody, you

0:59:34know, don't want to be with does it take

0:59:36to get to that five years from now

0:59:37point?

0:59:39It's one.

0:59:41>> It's one at a time. And that's so

0:59:43painful. But it's the nice thing because

0:59:46no one can cheat that one. You know,

0:59:48people can cheat the money thing. People

0:59:50can cheat the fame thing. You can cheat

0:59:52a lot of pursuits that people really

0:59:54look to as important. But when it comes

0:59:56to confidence, when it comes to showing

0:59:59up to something, when it comes to, you

1:00:02know, being able to kick people's ass,

1:00:05if if you're in a if you're in a ring

1:00:07and there's a fight going on, you'll see

1:00:09who wins the fight. Mhm.

1:00:10>> You know, if if you really get down to

1:00:12the bare bones of, you know, are you

1:00:16real? Are you authentic? Do you really

1:00:18stick to your word? You find out who

1:00:21sticks to their word. I'm I'm thinking,

1:00:22put the security camera in my room.

1:00:25Watch what happens every freaking day at

1:00:285 in the morning.

1:00:30You You welcome it,

1:00:31>> you know, when you've really built that

1:00:33foundation. So, it's a that is a

1:00:35beautiful mountain to climb.

1:00:37>> Yeah. And I wish that for everybody,

1:00:38honestly.

1:00:39>> Big deal. Yeah. And that's why I'm so

1:00:40passionate about getting the stuff out

1:00:41there is because I wish that for

1:00:43everybody to have the security camera to

1:00:44have the camera following you and you're

1:00:46like, "Yeah, bring it on because I know

1:00:48how I show up every single day, every

1:00:49single minute."

1:00:50>> And that's not to say that you have to

1:00:52be David Gogggins.

1:00:53>> Does not.

1:00:54>> It It's You're being yourself and you're

1:00:55being true to your word. You're being in

1:00:56integrity.

1:00:57>> I don't run 20 miles a day.

1:00:59>> Yeah. And I don't

1:00:59>> Absolutely not.

1:01:00>> Not yet. [laughter] Not yet.

1:01:01>> Not yet. Yeah. I mean, there there might

1:01:03be a phase for that, but it's not my

1:01:06phase right now. And it's a blessing to

1:01:08have the ability to go, okay, what let's

1:01:10bring it back. What are my priorities?

1:01:11And then I can act on those.

1:01:13>> And so you could you call yourself a

1:01:15hybrid athlete.

1:01:16>> Yeah. I mean, I would gosh, the the term

1:01:18is that's such an interesting one. Um I

1:01:21I would say, you know, just someone

1:01:23who's trying to be an athlete.

1:01:26That'll be my my label.

1:01:27>> Okay. And so I saw you at the LSKD

1:01:31uh combine.

1:01:32>> Yeah.

1:01:32>> Combine. Tell me about that.

1:01:33>> Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, the the event that

1:01:36that's actually based on is called Apex.

1:01:39So, it's I think it's what is it? Eight

1:01:42events, might be eight. It's a 40 yard

1:01:44dash. It's a medicine ball throw for

1:01:47distance. It's a standing broad jump,

1:01:50approach vert jump, max deadlifts in a

1:01:54minute with 405, max bench with 225, and

1:01:58then a mile run for time. So, you know,

1:02:01if if you're a track star, you kind of

1:02:04crush it in half of it. If you're a

1:02:06weightlifter, you kind of crush it in

1:02:08half of it. If you're, you know, kind of

1:02:11mid at everything, you do pretty mid

1:02:13like I did. Uh, but growing up, tumbling

1:02:18and flips and acrobatics and all that

1:02:20kind of stuff, that was my thing. So

1:02:23being explosive, being very uh in tune

1:02:26with technique and movement and just how

1:02:28my body works, that's what I really

1:02:30really enjoy. So this is just

1:02:33explosiveness, jumping as high as you

1:02:35can, running as fast as you can. I love

1:02:39that the just the pure athleticism kind

1:02:41of thing. Um I guess a lot of the

1:02:44popular focus right now is endurance. So

1:02:48high rocks the the marathons and

1:02:50everything it's just very uh engine but

1:02:54then there's performance at the peak of

1:02:56a 02 second difference in the 100 meter

1:03:00sprint

1:03:01man there there is nothing cooler than

1:03:03that you know

1:03:04>> so why is it important to you to like do

1:03:05these events or be try to be great

1:03:09>> across the whole spectrum

1:03:10>> yeah I'm actually not huge on competing

1:03:14uh for winning sake because I recognize

1:03:17that everyone has a different set of

1:03:21reality, you know? I mean, everyone

1:03:23trains different. Everyone has different

1:03:25freaking bone structure and leg length

1:03:28and whatever the heck else. Um, I think

1:03:30at the absolute absolute absolute peak

1:03:33of competition,

1:03:36some people are just cut out for it. And

1:03:39and mind you, I've been the person

1:03:42forever that goes, "Yeah, genetics,

1:03:44whatever. just try so hard and care so

1:03:47hard about it. But there's something to

1:03:48that. Um, I would say in an athletic

1:03:52sense, well, actually, let me back up.

1:03:53The competition aspect I find powerful

1:03:56just for the sake of comparison because

1:03:59I like to know what's out there and I

1:04:01like to know where I stand. Um, so I I

1:04:04don't really care to win a gold medal or

1:04:06anything like that because I'm really

1:04:07going against myself. But I think

1:04:10comparison is great because people say

1:04:12don't don't compare yourself to other

1:04:14people. But I mean we're how what

1:04:18decision have you ever made absent of

1:04:20some sort of comparison or reference? I

1:04:22just think it's real. Um now

1:04:24athletically

1:04:26you look at uh look at athletes in maybe

1:04:29their 40s or 50s. This is when physical

1:04:32life I feel like really starts to

1:04:34fundamentally change.

1:04:36someone who has been training being

1:04:39explosive and powerful and just a a

1:04:42machine in that sense, their body is so

1:04:47resilient. So, uh, the program that I'm

1:04:50on right now is created by Blaine

1:04:52McConnell. I think he was a bob sled

1:04:55Olympian.

1:04:56Bro,

1:04:58this guy is 40 and he runs a 44 40 yard

1:05:03dash. She can power clean 400 lb. His

1:05:06vert is 40 in. A lot of fours in this

1:05:09for whatever reason. Um

1:05:11>> I mean absolutely incredible. That is

1:05:15unheard of

1:05:16>> in in the athletic realm. I don't care

1:05:18how old you are. And this guy's 40 years

1:05:20old. And I look at that and I go, "Okay,

1:05:23if this guy wanted to do a 100 mileer or

1:05:25some crazy ultramarathon like that, you

1:05:28know, give him give him six months to

1:05:30kind of change his mental ecosystem a

1:05:34little bit, watch all the videos, train,

1:05:36feel a little bit injured here and

1:05:37there, and then overcome it, and then

1:05:39yeah, he's he's fine. He's going to do

1:05:41well." Now, you take a 40-year-old

1:05:44ultramarathoner

1:05:45who's just been beating down the

1:05:48freaking odometer for miles and miles

1:05:51and miles and all they've done is the

1:05:53long distance, the slow twitch, just

1:05:55trudging through. There's something

1:05:56beautiful about that. Mentally, huge

1:05:59mental virtue.

1:06:01Physically though, that person is not

1:06:04going to power clean 400 and have a

1:06:0640inch vert and run a 4440.

1:06:07>> No way.

1:06:08>> Unheard of. And so I look at that and I

1:06:10say well

1:06:13>> the virtue of the endurance and all of

1:06:15that kind of stuff really compelling

1:06:17because that's supposed to be me, right?

1:06:19I'm the consistency guy. I'm the

1:06:21discipline guy. Maybe I should do high

1:06:23rocks or whatever. But then I see, damn,

1:06:27if you train your body to be explosive

1:06:30and resilient in fast change of

1:06:33direction, acceleration, deceleration,

1:06:36crazy uh loads with weight,

1:06:39then you're going to be pretty set up

1:06:42for your 30s, 40s, 50s, and so on. And I

1:06:46just think it's awesome. Yeah,

1:06:48>> everyone does a 100 mile race, but who

1:06:51the hell is power cleaning 405 at at 40?

1:06:55That's crazy.

1:06:56>> Yeah. Uh Ryan Hall, who is the

1:07:00>> uh US's fastest marathoner. Okay.

1:07:03>> And half marathoner,

1:07:04>> I think it was about seven years ago, he

1:07:06was about 120,

1:07:08>> 120 pounds.

1:07:09>> And then now he's like 205 lean.

1:07:12>> 205.

1:07:13>> He he went for it. And so he was a big

1:07:16inspiration for me.

1:07:17>> Yeah. because he said, yeah, for, you

1:07:20know, however many years he was running,

1:07:21he was basically, you know, taking

1:07:24withdrawals out of his body. He was like

1:07:26taking withdrawals and he's like, "Now

1:07:27I'm going to go make deposits. Make

1:07:29deposits. Make deposits."

1:07:30>> That's cool.

1:07:30>> Yeah. And he's still running and he's

1:07:32still fast. He's not, you know, he's not

1:07:33doing marathon. He's doing more trail

1:07:34runs, stuff like that. But sweet.

1:07:35>> But I look at what he did. I'm like,

1:07:37"Yeah, that's

1:07:37>> that's seems like a healthier way to

1:07:40live life." And I agree with you.

1:07:41There's a there's a mental component to

1:07:43the marathoners that is like unmatched.

1:07:45Oh,

1:07:46>> man. It's so It's so compelling.

1:07:48>> But yeah, you can't you can't go you

1:07:51can't go squat. You can't go power

1:07:52clean. They're not doing anything. Like

1:07:53their bodies are, you know, you can snap

1:07:55them.

1:07:56>> Yeah. I mean, you you have to But for

1:07:58the weightlifters,

1:08:00you should be able to run 10 miles. I I

1:08:03think that's very true as well. Um, I

1:08:07just think that the 10 miles can be a

1:08:09little bit more grit, which you know,

1:08:12listen to enough David Gogggins videos

1:08:14and you can kind of just create that.

1:08:16>> Yeah,

1:08:17>> man. 405 is not getting up in a power

1:08:21clean for me right now.

1:08:23>> Yeah. No, it doesn't [laughter] happen.

1:08:24That's literal physical effort that has

1:08:26to be done.

1:08:27>> Yeah.

1:08:27>> Yeah. That's the that's the pinnacle of

1:08:30that sort of stuff. So, I just I really

1:08:32appreciate that side of uh of athletics.

1:08:35I think it's so sick.

1:08:36>> And so, let me ask you about your

1:08:38content.

1:08:39>> Your approach to content seems to be

1:08:41really different than what I'm seeing

1:08:43other people create, especially

1:08:44fitness-wise. And your podcast, I don't

1:08:46even think you edit your podcast.

1:08:48>> N just 30, 40 minutes. Let's let's roll.

1:08:52Obviously, I can kind of speak at

1:08:54length, so I just [laughter] I just put

1:08:56it to work once a week. But there was an

1:08:58episode I think your your buddies came

1:09:00over came into your room and

1:09:01>> That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:03>> You're like, "Hey guys, shut up. I'm

1:09:04filming my podcast." And you and you

1:09:06left it in.

1:09:06>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I love that stuff. I

1:09:09just think the real moments are

1:09:11>> It's fun. People want to be in on that.

1:09:14>> And then you also create like really

1:09:15cinematic style videos. Yeah. Too. Like,

1:09:18so there's this like I'm in my bedroom,

1:09:22you know, spouting philosophy, you know,

1:09:24and self-improvement, and then I'm like

1:09:26doing these real cinematic cold plunge

1:09:28talks, vlogs.

1:09:30>> And then there's a few of your reels

1:09:31that really popped off. I think there's

1:09:33like three or four that have done over a

1:09:35few million

1:09:36>> hits.

1:09:37>> And what is your approach to creating

1:09:40content?

1:09:41>> Oh man, that's really tough because

1:09:43again, we get into this swimming

1:09:45upstream sort of thing. So I I consider

1:09:48myself a pretty piss poor uh short form

1:09:52content creator because I just don't

1:09:54think that way. Um and that's my

1:09:56foundation. That's my biggest following.

1:09:59But I can't say I love it because again

1:10:02I try and say things and not leave a

1:10:04stone unturned and there's always plenty

1:10:07of stones unturned. There's always a

1:10:10lack of nuance, always a lack of

1:10:12understanding. So what I imagined

1:10:16when I was building a following, I

1:10:18thought, "Oh, you know, you have a

1:10:20100,000 people following you, that means

1:10:22they understand you." And it's just

1:10:25simply not the case. Not even close. Um,

1:10:29you out of 450,000

1:10:32followers, I'd say maybe

1:10:35450

1:10:37people really get it. And you know, I

1:10:40don't know the the perfect number of

1:10:42science behind that, but it's such a

1:10:45small margin. So on short form, I would

1:10:48say a lot of it it's just attention and

1:10:50a huge lack of understanding because you

1:10:53see it all the time. You put out a video

1:10:55and then people are just looking for the

1:10:57holes immediately going, "Oh, well, if

1:11:00you had just given me three more

1:11:01minutes, I could have solved every

1:11:03critique you have about what I said."

1:11:05But you don't have the three minutes.

1:11:08Sometimes you don't even have the three

1:11:09seconds, you know what I mean? It's just

1:11:11quick, quick, quick. So, I'm very bad at

1:11:14condensing down in that sort of way

1:11:16because everything I think about I go,

1:11:18"Well, there's 10 layers to this. I feel

1:11:20like I need to dive into all of them."

1:11:22So, something I'm kind of working on

1:11:24there. Then, when it comes to the

1:11:25podcast and the YouTube, I freaking love

1:11:29it. None of you know the podcasts aren't

1:11:32perfect. But whenever I click done on

1:11:36the on the record and I save the file, I

1:11:38go, dude, that was awesome. I mean, I

1:11:41just talked about all this stuff at

1:11:43length. Said everything I needed to say.

1:11:45Boom. Easy conversations like this.

1:11:49Saying everything that I need to say.

1:11:51Maybe we don't cover every topic, but

1:11:53every topic, we get to actually talk

1:11:55about it. And here here's what I

1:11:57actually think. It's not just a snippet.

1:11:59And then the YouTube videos, that

1:12:02version of creation is so much fun for

1:12:04me because I've always I'm really big on

1:12:07the music side of things. So I just

1:12:09don't monetize my YouTube at all. Um so

1:12:12I can use all the music that I love.

1:12:15>> Really big into Mottown, soul, jazz,

1:12:18kind of that era. Um

1:12:20>> I also noticed some Justin Timberlake.

1:12:22>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, what was the one that we

1:12:24just used? That was such a banger

1:12:26because the intro to that song is just

1:12:28it's a love.

1:12:29>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a movie moment.

1:12:31It just creates it for you. But man, I

1:12:35really really love that cuz for me that

1:12:39music side of things every every song

1:12:41that I'm using or it's just a space in

1:12:45my mind or a really strong memory for

1:12:47me. Um just the timing and and I I love

1:12:51that stuff so much. one of my best

1:12:53friends. He's an incredible musician.

1:12:55Uh, and that's one of the few people

1:12:57that I can just say, I don't know what

1:12:59this is called, but he knows what I'm

1:13:02talking about when it comes to all these

1:13:03different parts of the the music

1:13:05experience. And man, it's such a such a

1:13:09fun part of the video creation. But what

1:13:11I'm hearing is someone that

1:13:15has his purpose.

1:13:17He wants to help people.

1:13:19>> Yeah. and he's creating things the way

1:13:22that he wants to create them and he's

1:13:24doing it so that other people can

1:13:25benefit from it

1:13:27>> and you're having a good time doing it

1:13:28>> and it's a battle of uh how do you get

1:13:30people to see it in the first place.

1:13:32>> Well, you have almost 500,000 followers

1:13:34on Instagram. I have 5,000. So, like

1:13:38whether you believe it or not, you're

1:13:40doing something right.

1:13:41>> All right. Right.

1:13:41>> I'll take it. [laughter]

1:13:42>> Yeah. And and I always say this of my of

1:13:44my 5,000, you know, 5200, whatever it is

1:13:47right now, they are like ride or die.

1:13:49>> Yeah.

1:13:49>> Ride or die. Ride or die. And they'll

1:13:51always be there and I'm always going to

1:13:52serve them and and make sure that we

1:13:54keep going. And so crew,

1:13:55>> beautiful.

1:13:56>> Last bit here.

1:13:58>> What's one piece of advice that you

1:13:59could leave with everybody?

1:14:00>> I'll do a quick one. Uh, eat dinner

1:14:02every night without your phone. No

1:14:05laptop, no TV, no phone dinner. That's

1:14:09that's everything.

1:14:11And then man, you know, answer answer

1:14:13the question we all have to answer. What

1:14:15what's your purpose? What do you care

1:14:17about? Why are you waking up every day?

1:14:19Um,

1:14:21you know, there's this sunk cost fallacy

1:14:24where you've spent too much time in one

1:14:26direction. You feel like you might as

1:14:28well just stay there because you've

1:14:29already invested too much time and

1:14:31energy. Um,

1:14:33don't let that hold you from changing

1:14:36something in a big way. Because if you

1:14:39really think about it, uh let's let's

1:14:41just come up with a quick hypothetical

1:14:43here. Someone is overweight,

1:14:46purposeless,

1:14:48no healthy relationships, no direction,

1:14:50doesn't like their job, whatever.

1:14:53[snorts]

1:14:54They start exercising every day. They

1:14:57start seeing changes in themselves. They

1:14:59start having these conversations with

1:15:00themselves. Maybe eventually they feel

1:15:02compelled to share that journey. Through

1:15:04sharing that journey, they connect with

1:15:06so many people they never would have

1:15:07met. Then they're going on TV and

1:15:09podcast because they're inspiring so

1:15:11many people to make those same kind of

1:15:13changes. And then they make a living

1:15:15inspiring people to get out of the hole

1:15:17that they were once in. I mean, that

1:15:20story is almost cliche. How could that

1:15:22not be you if you feel like you're in

1:15:25that same place? It just comes down to

1:15:28making the decision to make those kind

1:15:30of changes.

1:15:31>> That's right. It's what I'm doing right

1:15:32now. Let's go

1:15:34>> crew.

1:15:34>> Beautiful.

1:15:35>> Thank you so much.

1:15:36>> Thank you.

1:15:36>> Where can people get a hold of you?

1:15:38>> Well, uh, Instagram, Crew Mahoney. C R U

1:15:41M A H O N E Y. Tik Tok is the same

1:15:44thing. That's the Wild West. Uh, YouTube

1:15:46is the same thing. That's a way better

1:15:48place. Crew Mahoney podcast, Spotify,

1:15:52YouTube, Apple, I think all the things.

1:15:55>> You have a you have a mentorship

1:15:57program, too, right?

1:15:58>> That's right. Yeah. So, like I mentioned

1:16:00before, I help very successful people

1:16:02become very fulfilled. Um, so if that

1:16:05happens to be you and it happens to be

1:16:07something that you want, um, you can

1:16:09apply to that through the links in my

1:16:11Instagram and YouTube and all that good

1:16:13stuff. And and that's that's the real

1:16:15deep dive.

1:16:16>> Yeah. I can't wait to see what you're

1:16:17going to do over the next 10 years. It's

1:16:18going to be wild,

1:16:20>> man. I'm uh I'll be there every day.

1:16:22>> That's right. [laughter]

1:16:24Thanks, dude.

1:16:24>> Absolutely. Thank you.

1:16:25>> Oh, yeah. And as always, I love you all.

1:16:28This is for your own good. Peace.

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